This was a beautiful tie! Perfect for my husband's suit at our daughter's wedding. He always prefers self-tie bow ties. The flange on the tails was wider than the elbow of the bow, and it ended up looking like a child's bowtie (15-1/2 neck), so not a child!). Think PeeWee Herman. Sadly, he had to wear one of his existing ties. Bummed because it was absolutely perfect in pattern.